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that's a lie it was later debunked ronald reagan never sat with a group of african-american teenagers who talked about the minimum wage hurting them and it in fact people tried to track down those people just like they tried to track down his famous welfare queen couldn't find it but he said it sincerely just like he talked sincerely when he took credit for creating workplace see the legislation as governor of california. we created an ocean an occupational safety and health agency for the protection of employees before the federal government had one in place and to this day not one of his decisions or rulings has ever been challenged so i think some of those charges are missing the point i suggest not true again osha was passed by democrats in california over ronald reagan's objections but rumor talk sincerely and people will believe it actually large parts of what was ocean california was set up long before ronald reagan it which any out sets up this claim made by reagan against the department of energy catch this. the department of energy is a multi-billion dollar budget in action
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when you put machine up against ronald reagan. they will fail because it is ronald reagan. let mitt romney have his moment and applaud him and not try to tie him to the past buto. >> why do people say you need that phrase and sentence in a debate that can be remembered for people going forward for the generation toz come. why do you have to have that pivotal moment. >> they are the game changer. whether the age issue with mondale there you go again . are you better off today than you are four years ago in great moments. different time and place that we are in than we were back in 1980 even though there are many similarities. society is different today than it was back in the 1980s. and so we have to change and understand it from that view point. >> let me ask you going forward, what are your expectations as mitt romney prepares for his next big face off with the president? >> he can't have a down moment. i think what happened we see it in the polls. you see the polls change things are getting closer and mitt romney is in the lead. people saw them for the first time together
when you put machine up against ronald reagan. they will fail because it is ronald reagan. let mitt romney have his moment and applaud him and not try to tie him to the past buto. >> why do people say you need that phrase and sentence in a debate that can be remembered for people going forward for the generation toz come. why do you have to have that pivotal moment. >> they are the game changer. whether the age issue with mondale there you go again . are you better off today than...
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this happened in 1919, when jimmy carter led ronald reagan and he painted ronald reagan as a warmonger and someone who could not be trusted and when they had their debate and ronald reagan came across as confident and reasonable the bottom goal out for jimmy carter. >>neil: what is the delay effect on a debate if there is, karl in a lot can change, with the lighter colored states not being as red or blue as they can be and the what do you look for? >>guest: well, i would not use the work prohibitively. since april, the president's list of hard states that are strongly in his column, that has dropped while mitt romney's is green. this is a very close race. if you look at the 91 polls that had have been in 30 days, thing of that, 91 national polls the margin between the two men is over 2 percent. by comparison, during that same period in 2004, there were 41 polls in the bush and kerry race and 5.2said it was a race too co call and the question was, can bush regain the momentum? this could be a very tight election. my sense is we will see some movement but not a lot. >>neil: could you see
this happened in 1919, when jimmy carter led ronald reagan and he painted ronald reagan as a warmonger and someone who could not be trusted and when they had their debate and ronald reagan came across as confident and reasonable the bottom goal out for jimmy carter. >>neil: what is the delay effect on a debate if there is, karl in a lot can change, with the lighter colored states not being as red or blue as they can be and the what do you look for? >>guest: well, i would not use the...
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ron versus reagan. ronald reagan. in 1980, they did both. they dispelled notions about his challengers. in this case that ronald reagan was in the cowboy that would recklessly send us down the path to armageddon. he did that with a smile with one simple question. are you better off than you were four years ago. very simple and very clear and very ronald reagan. for one mitt romney, that is all that this race comes down to. whether we can keep it simple and clear. after all the noise, leave voters understand that this election really comes down to. are you better off than you were four years ago. because that could make a compelling case. we will see next week in denver for the first day, october 3, we are back for each and everyone there every one there after we started, 8:00 p.m. eastern time. we are with you through midnight. i'm telling you folks that when we told you from the very beginning, the caucuses, primaries, a lot of people talk about this. it is your money and your life in your future. have a wonderful evening and terrific weeke
ron versus reagan. ronald reagan. in 1980, they did both. they dispelled notions about his challengers. in this case that ronald reagan was in the cowboy that would recklessly send us down the path to armageddon. he did that with a smile with one simple question. are you better off than you were four years ago. very simple and very clear and very ronald reagan. for one mitt romney, that is all that this race comes down to. whether we can keep it simple and clear. after all the noise, leave...
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successful pattern to follow, ronald reagan's. on the other hand, you had the debt limit talks in 2011 where president obama in the middle of talks never, until this day, has gotten specific. we don't know if he offered to raise the medicare retirement age. we don't know how much he said he would cut medicare and enact entitlement reform. so he did the opposite. he went into a serious negotiation not as a candidate but as the president and never got specific. it's one of the reasons we never got a big debt limit deal. so i think mitt romney actually is following the reagan pattern. the question is who when it comes to real negotiation with congress will follow through and get it done. i think mitt romney would be stronger at that. the president, if he could have done it, would have done it. >> secretary reish -- >> let me -- with due respect, with due respect to mr. fleischer, the fact is when ronald reagan was running we didn't have the kind of budget deficit we have right now. it's very -- >> that's not the point. >> you cannot
successful pattern to follow, ronald reagan's. on the other hand, you had the debt limit talks in 2011 where president obama in the middle of talks never, until this day, has gotten specific. we don't know if he offered to raise the medicare retirement age. we don't know how much he said he would cut medicare and enact entitlement reform. so he did the opposite. he went into a serious negotiation not as a candidate but as the president and never got specific. it's one of the reasons we never...
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and start talk about ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan at this point in his president, 8% growth -- >> we're not debating ronald reagan -- >> he hasn't fixed it and now we see economic growth -- we're heading towards a recession. >> jennifer: we're heading towards a recession. consumer confidence is at a seven-month high, the s&p 500 is up nearly 15% year to date. but this is what fox news does when the facts don't confirm with their version of reality, they call the data skewed. >> it's very strange that big unemployment number seems to be skewed. the department may be becoming a bit partisan. i state on air, and the left goes absolutely bonkers and call me a conspiracy theorist. >> jennifer: maybe that's because you are. if fox news hosts don't like reality, they just make up their own version of events. >> the romney campaign has sent a lot of time asking a question from 1980. are you better off than four years ago, when any damn fool knows that in 2008 this country was in crisis. why would you pick that year as your fourth-year comparison. >> jennifer: i love it. really? lou dobbs
and start talk about ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan at this point in his president, 8% growth -- >> we're not debating ronald reagan -- >> he hasn't fixed it and now we see economic growth -- we're heading towards a recession. >> jennifer: we're heading towards a recession. consumer confidence is at a seven-month high, the s&p 500 is up nearly 15% year to date. but this is what fox news does when the facts don't confirm with their version of reality, they call the...
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ronald reagan dispensed with those detail by telling jimmy carter, there you go again. it was on to ron and what he would do differently, the things that define ronald reagan. debates can confirm a trend or dispell a notion. in 1980 they did both. they confirmed voters' doubts about the incumbent but dispelled notions about the challenger, that ronald reagan was not a cowboy who was recklessly send the nation down the path to armageddon with a style that was simple but never questionable: are you better off than four years ago? very simple. very clear. very reagan. for mitt romney that is what it comes down to, whether he can keep it simple, clear, and after all the noise, leave voters understanding what this election really comes down to. are you better off than you were four years ago? he does that, he can make a compelling case. he does not, he's an over and done case. we will see next week. we are there in denver, october 3. we are back for each and every debate after. we start at 8:00 p.m. eastern. we are with you through midnight. folks, we told you from the very
ronald reagan dispensed with those detail by telling jimmy carter, there you go again. it was on to ron and what he would do differently, the things that define ronald reagan. debates can confirm a trend or dispell a notion. in 1980 they did both. they confirmed voters' doubts about the incumbent but dispelled notions about the challenger, that ronald reagan was not a cowboy who was recklessly send the nation down the path to armageddon with a style that was simple but never questionable: are...
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tiene que ser un poco cambiada como dijo ronald reagan, pero la estructura básica es sólida. quiero hablar sobre los valores detrás de la seguridad social y medicare. vamos a hablar de medicare entonces. porque es el gran propulsor de nuestro déficit en este momento. mi abuela, algunos saben me ayudó a criarme. mi abuela murió hace tiempo, y mi abuela murió 3 días antes que
tiene que ser un poco cambiada como dijo ronald reagan, pero la estructura básica es sólida. quiero hablar sobre los valores detrás de la seguridad social y medicare. vamos a hablar de medicare entonces. porque es el gran propulsor de nuestro déficit en este momento. mi abuela, algunos saben me ayudó a criarme. mi abuela murió hace tiempo, y mi abuela murió 3 días antes que
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ronald reagan did that, bill clinton did it. but this idea that we can't do it and certainly when pundits say further candidate should even touch it tomorrow night, that gets to the core of the problem. >>guest: that is exactly correct. this is the issue. all the issues that we are talking about in the economy are encompassed inside the national debt argument. you can get rid of the unfunded liabilities, as well, just the way we did with social security under ronald reagan by tending the age of retirement, by reducing benefits, by subjecting half of them to the income tax. there are lots of things you can do to bring this economy back and fairly quickly in two terms you could bring it back the way reagan did. >>neil: the fact is you cannot buy your way out it. you have to boom your way out of it. thank you, art. >> in washington, dc, talk of a plan to keep the government from going off an immediate fiscal cliff because if nothing is done, tax bill per household could jump an average of $3,500. now to washington, dc, with latest
ronald reagan did that, bill clinton did it. but this idea that we can't do it and certainly when pundits say further candidate should even touch it tomorrow night, that gets to the core of the problem. >>guest: that is exactly correct. this is the issue. all the issues that we are talking about in the economy are encompassed inside the national debt argument. you can get rid of the unfunded liabilities, as well, just the way we did with social security under ronald reagan by tending the...
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the incumbent was ronald reagan and got his clock cleaned by mondale. trying to win the first debates against their challengers was 0-3. the next time an incumbent president is facing a challenger is 1992. the incumbent president is george h.w. bush. his major party challenger is a young man from arkansas. there's also this other guy with the big ears and it's the other guy with the big ears who wins the first debate. >> the day after, victory for perot. clinton hold his own. trouble for the president. there's no one scorecard for determining who won and who lost last night, but a consensus does seem to be emerging. ross perot, the star of the night because no one knew what to expect. bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >
the incumbent was ronald reagan and got his clock cleaned by mondale. trying to win the first debates against their challengers was 0-3. the next time an incumbent president is facing a challenger is 1992. the incumbent president is george h.w. bush. his major party challenger is a young man from arkansas. there's also this other guy with the big ears and it's the other guy with the big ears who wins the first debate. >> the day after, victory for perot. clinton hold his own. trouble for...
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the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's the beef? >> wendy's was trying to convince people their hamburgers had more beef. >> where's the beef? >> you were home watching tv with your girlfriend and saw this ad. >> yeah. i saw the ad. my girlfriend said to me, that reminds me of gary hart. what's he all about? all of a sudden, it clicked. >> this is not polling, just a comment from a girlfriend. >> that's right. >> you probably liked her too much. >> no, no. i didn't actually. that triggered in my mind something that made some sense, we could put on the next poll. we put it on a poll, it tested well. >> so mondale used it in a deba
the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's...
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but the thing he has to do is what ronald reagan did. ronald reagan in the 1980 debates pinned the economy on jimmy carter, and he kept litigating the case that jimmy carter had made every american's life worse. because of his failed economic policies. governor romney has to do exactly the same thing. he has to make the debate about the president's failed policies on the economy and convince voters that it was those policies that's made their lives a lot worse over these last four years rather than let the president blame earthquakes or the, you know, president bush or the tsunami or anything. jenna: i have some questions about style versus substance, big questions about likability. we're going to take a quick commercial break and be right back with you for some more tips on debating, right after this. h. but things are starting to turn around because of business people like you. and regions is here to help. with the experience and service to keep things rolling. from business loans to cash management, we want to be your partner moving f
but the thing he has to do is what ronald reagan did. ronald reagan in the 1980 debates pinned the economy on jimmy carter, and he kept litigating the case that jimmy carter had made every american's life worse. because of his failed economic policies. governor romney has to do exactly the same thing. he has to make the debate about the president's failed policies on the economy and convince voters that it was those policies that's made their lives a lot worse over these last four years rather...
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ronald reagan was good at the jokes. you also have to know how to deliver them. >> absolutely. >> you can have great jokes written, but if you say them at the wrong minute it will backfire. >> a couple seconds left. what's your favorite debate moment in history? >> i like 1980 when ronald reagan said, ther said, "there o again." there's a whole wikipedia site on that quote. it allowed ronald reagan to triumph. >> great to talk to you today. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. take care. >> lots to look forward to next week. all right, what would you do for the man or woman you love? up next, how this man made his girlfriend's dream come true. stay with us. [ owner ] i need to expand to meet the needs of my growing business. but how am i going to fund it? and i have to find a way to manage my cash flow better. [ female announcer ] our wells fargo bankers are here to listen, offer guidance and provide you with options tailored to your business. we've loaned more money to small businesses than any other bank for
ronald reagan was good at the jokes. you also have to know how to deliver them. >> absolutely. >> you can have great jokes written, but if you say them at the wrong minute it will backfire. >> a couple seconds left. what's your favorite debate moment in history? >> i like 1980 when ronald reagan said, ther said, "there o again." there's a whole wikipedia site on that quote. it allowed ronald reagan to triumph. >> great to talk to you today. thank you so...
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that ronald reagan moment. that, you know, quip no one was anticipating that seems to sort of, you know, grab the public attention. it can be for good or ill. for both of the candidates the challenge is really to be relaxed enough to get the message across in a way but not so loose you trip over your tongue and cause yourself harm. candidly it's mitt romney who has had the problem in the appearances lately. in that regard, i think if he makes it through without doing anything like that, that alope puts him in game. >> bret: one thing you watch is the dynamic between the two. what is not spoken. just body language, kind of the interaction. what do r you looking for in the first 30 minutes let's say? >> we have never seen them together on a stage. they met once or twice before. it will be interesting to see how it plays out. we can think of one debate where the body language between the two candidates made a difference. bush versus gore, gore acted supercilious and condescending toward governor bush. it played ba
that ronald reagan moment. that, you know, quip no one was anticipating that seems to sort of, you know, grab the public attention. it can be for good or ill. for both of the candidates the challenge is really to be relaxed enough to get the message across in a way but not so loose you trip over your tongue and cause yourself harm. candidly it's mitt romney who has had the problem in the appearances lately. in that regard, i think if he makes it through without doing anything like that, that...
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the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's the beef? >> wendy's was trying to convince people their hamburgers had more beef. >> where's the beef? >> you were home watching tv with your girlfriend and saw this ad. >> yeah. i saw the ad. my girlfriend said to me, that reminds me of gary hart. what's he all about? all of a sudden, it clicked. >> this is not polling, just a comment from a girlfriend. >> that's right. >> you probably liked her too much. >> no, no. i didn't actually. that triggered in my mind something that made some sense, we could put on the next poll. we put it on a poll, it tested well. >> so mondale used it in a deba
the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's...
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. >> ronald reagan himself said. >> it doesn't work that way. neil: thank you, sir. well, it sounds like simpson-bowles and it smells like simpson-bowles. it even has the same savings, almost exact savings as simpson-bowles. why more than a year later our senators coming up with a pistol clip avoiding measure that is pretty much simpson-bowles? rachel quit the corporate grind to start her own interior design business. she's got a growing list of clients she keeps in touch with using e-mail marketing from constantcontact.com. constantcontact is easy and affordable. it lets her send out updates and photos that showcase her expertise and inspire her customers for only $15 a month. [ dog barking ] her dream -- to be the area's hottest interior design office. [ children laughing ] right now, she just dreams of an office. get a free trial at constantcontact.com. i took my son fishing every year. we had a great spot, not easy to find, but worth it. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps signif
. >> ronald reagan himself said. >> it doesn't work that way. neil: thank you, sir. well, it sounds like simpson-bowles and it smells like simpson-bowles. it even has the same savings, almost exact savings as simpson-bowles. why more than a year later our senators coming up with a pistol clip avoiding measure that is pretty much simpson-bowles? rachel quit the corporate grind to start her own interior design business. she's got a growing list of clients she keeps in touch with using...
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. >> ronald reagan himself said. >> it doesn't work that way. neil: thank you, sir. well, it sounds like simpson-bowles and it smells like simpson-bowles. it even has the same savings, almost exact savings as simpson-bowles. why more than a year later our senators coming up with a pistol clip avoiding measure that is pretty much simpson-bowles? follow the wings. neil: think of it as them symbols without the simpson were the simpson-bowles. there he tax increases that collectively shaved about $4 trillion over the next decade. that is the same plan that they all but had last year. and the automatic spending cuts that sink in as of now at the end of this year. here is what i find most striking. it is almost identical to the deck commission plan of the house and senate, all but relegated to collecting dust last year. no matter, at least they are entertaining series is now. the question now is who signs up? a big problem last year and i suspect it is election year and an even bigger problem last year. still, the election is not too far away and hope springs eternal for p
. >> ronald reagan himself said. >> it doesn't work that way. neil: thank you, sir. well, it sounds like simpson-bowles and it smells like simpson-bowles. it even has the same savings, almost exact savings as simpson-bowles. why more than a year later our senators coming up with a pistol clip avoiding measure that is pretty much simpson-bowles? follow the wings. neil: think of it as them symbols without the simpson were the simpson-bowles. there he tax increases that collectively...
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. >> but ronald reagan, people forget, before the debate, ronald reagan was painted as this looney, right-wing fanatic that would start world war iii, dr. strangelove, and it was the debate that stuck a needle in that balloon. >> i remember it well. >> not even born yet. i mean, this is romney's chance. >> sure. >> to connect with the american people. >> to pick up on mike's point, fascinating number from the poll is this. 51% of people who said they had heard or read something about romney in the last couple weeks said what they had heard or read made them think more negatively about him. more positively, that number was 48%. they've heard him going into this debate. this provides them a chance to say, listen, that guy you saw in the video, that's not me. i'm a different type of person. he can reset in that sense. i'm sort of with al on this. i spent a lot of time over the past week watching all of romney's debates from 2002. i watched every single debate. there were five of them. i read hundreds of clips in 2002. he was against a democrat. >> you really should get a life. >> i know, it's pat
. >> but ronald reagan, people forget, before the debate, ronald reagan was painted as this looney, right-wing fanatic that would start world war iii, dr. strangelove, and it was the debate that stuck a needle in that balloon. >> i remember it well. >> not even born yet. i mean, this is romney's chance. >> sure. >> to connect with the american people. >> to pick up on mike's point, fascinating number from the poll is this. 51% of people who said they had...
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reagan, and george w. bush contributed to. neil: thank you, sir, pat, always a pleasure. >> always. thank you very much, neil. neil: all right, well i have a filing this might come up as a debate next week it could be a game changer that maybe media is wrong page. we are out in denver for the opening salvo, what will be for debate that kicks in denver could we're there 8:00 p.m. eastern time through midnight, unlike a lot of other business networks that say, yeah it is a big election, be there or be square, we're there. you know, until we're not. don't be late. >> meanwhile, the guy who said that president obama push to make taxes high, might have hit a new low, did the president say rich guys who point lovs who dor taxes don't love their country? >> and why the guys in charge are charging us right off the cliff. neil: president coming out swinging, hitting his favorite target, rich fies guys, with a patriotic duty to pay more. so jay, you hear this, and are you offended or what? >> i think it's shameful o
reagan, and george w. bush contributed to. neil: thank you, sir, pat, always a pleasure. >> always. thank you very much, neil. neil: all right, well i have a filing this might come up as a debate next week it could be a game changer that maybe media is wrong page. we are out in denver for the opening salvo, what will be for debate that kicks in denver could we're there 8:00 p.m. eastern time through midnight, unlike a lot of other business networks that say, yeah it is a big election, be...
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so did ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan, 8% growth. >> we're not debating ronald reagan. we're debating obama. >> reagan had a far worse economy than obama inherited. he said he was inheriting it and he said -- but he hasn't fixed it. >> wow. >> stephanie: wow. really reaching now, aren't you? >> they love to revise the reagan and -- as media matters has pointed out there is no comparison in terms of the economy because the fed could just change interest rates which they did, which basically fixed that economy. you know, the fed can't do anymore when you're at zero, you can't go any lower. also, the unemployment completely different story. what hannity never mentions, if you go back to -- we're going way back here. if you're going back to the closing months of the carter/reagan campaign, unemployment was going down under the last six months under jimmy carter. ronald reagan won and it skyrocketed back up. ronald reagan did not inherit climbing unemployment the way barack obama did. ronald reagan actually inherited unemployment on its way down. he got into office and it di
so did ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan, 8% growth. >> we're not debating ronald reagan. we're debating obama. >> reagan had a far worse economy than obama inherited. he said he was inheriting it and he said -- but he hasn't fixed it. >> wow. >> stephanie: wow. really reaching now, aren't you? >> they love to revise the reagan and -- as media matters has pointed out there is no comparison in terms of the economy because the fed could just change interest rates...
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think about ronald reagan. jimmy carter had a lot of great lines in his debate with ronald reagan in the 1980 debate, but ronald reagan kept saying there you go again. in 1984 walter mondale was beating ronald reagan. but reagan said i'm not going to let age be a determining factor, because my opponent is younger than me and less experienced than me. he used humor and well-timed phrases make a big difference in these debates. >> chris, joe raises an interesting point, the same point that matthew dowd raised in a national journal piece. in preparing for the debates, romney and president obama needs to remember that judgments on winning or losing are much more stylistic than substantive. the public isn't interested in getting more detail-specific policy, but in getting pointers about people on stage. when debates have moved in the numbers in the past, it's been result the impressions, mannerisms, style. is it going to be all about style trumping substance? >> he's partly right. he debates especially when you see
think about ronald reagan. jimmy carter had a lot of great lines in his debate with ronald reagan in the 1980 debate, but ronald reagan kept saying there you go again. in 1984 walter mondale was beating ronald reagan. but reagan said i'm not going to let age be a determining factor, because my opponent is younger than me and less experienced than me. he used humor and well-timed phrases make a big difference in these debates. >> chris, joe raises an interesting point, the same point that...